Location: Tau Bay Vietnamese Noodle House, I-59 and Beechnut
Present: Brandon Reddell, Will Sikkema, Scott Robinson
Business items discussed during lunch and afterward:
- Meeting on HBU campus – Scott wasn’t able to find the time to contact Danny, the BSM head at HBU, due to work schedule. The intent is to get his advice and assistance in finding a way to meet or at least advertise on the campus.
- Scott will (Lord willing) undergo foot surgery Jan. 5 and be laid up for several weeks recovering, including during our regular meeting time. Due to that and other schedule conflicts, we decided not to meet in January, but to wait until February 7th or 14th for our next meeting.
- During the Christmas break we will be apart but we all have more time – maybe we can be more active online. That might carry over into January, when Scott’s laid up, so our activity could continue in January even if we don’t meet.
Stephen Contakes’ article "Logical Pitfalls and Communication Gaps: Frequent Lines of Argument That Dead-End the Origins Conversation".
We really liked the message of this article. We agreed that more respect, patience, listening, are all Christian qualities we need in science-faith discussions. The point about being careful to spell out all the steps in an argument and not leave any unstated is very important. Being patient, hearing the other person out, ensuring understanding before responding, is something we’ve all seen the need of in our occupations (NASA physicist, oil company geologist, chemistry PhD grad student) - that is, we’ve all seen the problems that arise from not doing it.
The importance of defining terms and ensuring everyone understands the same thing from the same term was illustrated as we discussed Levinthal’s Paradox, which is featured prominently in the article. We had to stop and discuss what a paradox meant, and whether Levinthal’s discovery should be considered to be one or not. And that’s with only three friends discussing something that no one had any particular emotional attachment to!
During the holidays and through January-
Will Sikkema will look over the Neanderthal article Brandon posted, and will comment on it.
Once we’re done discussing the Neanderthal article, Scott will post an article about the Levinthal paradox. It’s an article that the ID community claims enormously increases the difficulty of devising a naturalistic scenario for the origin of life.