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<description><![CDATA[<P>Perhaps a new light metaphor has emerged to be used in religious analogies, otherwise it may be just something kinda fun to talk about.</P>
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<P>On March 3rd, last Sat. night at about 7:30 pm Central time, the local astronomy clubs of San Antonio (SAAA) and Austin (AAS) flashed lights that were observed by astronauts Don Petit and Dan Burbank aboard the ISS.&nbsp; </P>
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<P>This is a first, as far as we know, though others have tried before to signal astronauts (and probably cosmonauts) with light, but failed.</P>
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<P>We used two relatively small searchlights and a blue 1000mw laser (445nm).&nbsp; Both the lights and the laser beam were easily seen by the astronauts.&nbsp; During the 6 minute (approx.) event, Don Petit had planned to contact us from the ISS using..... a cell phone.&nbsp; [I guess they have nice reception up there. :)]&nbsp; But Don was too busy taking pictures to call us.</P>
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<P>We learned the next morning that the light was easily seen by them, and they sent pictures to prove it.&nbsp; [The "flash point" (pun unintended) is up and left of center.]</P>
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<P><IMG style="BORDER-BOTTOM: dashed; BORDER-LEFT: dashed; BORDER-TOP: dashed; BORDER-RIGHT: dashed" title="Flashing observed from ISS" alt="Flashing observed from ISS" src="http://orbitsimulator.com/BA/issflash23360833.jpg "></P>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<P>That's great to hear about this! I work in aerospace (jet engines), but my father has worked on the Space Shuttle program and/or the Space Suit&nbsp;since 1974.&nbsp; I've always been fascinated with the space program, and hope that we will see more experimentation in space in the future.</P>
<P>Did you guys have a schedule coordinated with them to look for this?&nbsp; Were you able to communicate by radio or the Internet?</P>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<DIV class=ForumQuote><B>R. Thoelen said:</B><BR>
<P>That's great to hear about this! I work in aerospace (jet engines), but my father has worked on the Space Shuttle program and/or the Space Suit&nbsp;since 1974.&nbsp; I've always been fascinated with the space program, and hope that we will see more experimentation in space in the future.</P>
<P>Did you guys have a schedule coordinated with them to look for this?&nbsp; Were you able to communicate by radio or the Internet?</P></DIV>
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<P>The key to this entire event is the relationship that one of our local astronomy club members, Robert Reeves (astrophotography author)&nbsp;has with astronaut Don Pettit.&nbsp; Don has relied on Robert to assist him in his photography taken from space.</P>
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<P>From this relationship came Robert's idea to do this flash experiment, which had been tried, apparently, by others, but never successful, according to a blog from Don.</P>
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<P>Keith Little, our marketing director and excellent leader,&nbsp;helped stir interest in this idea with&nbsp;our club, SAAA&nbsp;(San Antonio Astronomical Assoc.).&nbsp; We also involved&nbsp;the AAS (Austin Astronomical Society), who joined us&nbsp;in this event.</P>
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<P>I enjoy doing magnitude calculations and found that conventional lighting would require about 50 kw of light in order for our light to be seen as a 0 magnitude star.&nbsp; [Most lights are designed with wide dispersion angles to illuminate the near, not the far.]&nbsp; This prompted me to find a search light company to assist us, and we were extremely fortunate to find Sky-View, who not only donated two lights, but also has very low dispersion beams (~ 1.7 deg.).&nbsp; These lights alone put us close to -5 in apparent magnitude, based on my rough calculations.&nbsp; </P>
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<P>Glare, however, seems to be the biggest culprit in seeing flashing events from the ISS, according to Don.&nbsp; The ISS appears bright to us from the ground because it&nbsp;is still in sunlight, which causes a great deal of glare.&nbsp; This problem was not realized by me until a week before the event.&nbsp; I thought, perhaps, that a colorful spot of light from a laser might help us cut through the glare.&nbsp; On Monday, before the event on Saturday, I eventually found a laser supplier, Wicked Lasers, that had a 1000mW laser in stock --&nbsp;all others I talked to had to order from China.&nbsp; Their blue&nbsp;laser is &lt; 1/3rd the cost of their green one, so I went blue.&nbsp; [I emailed Don and claimed that I did not choose green because I did not want to make him look sick. *wink*]</P>
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<P>Unfortunately, there was no offer to assist my pleas to get the laser shipped overnight or 2nd day air.&nbsp;&nbsp;The laser did finally&nbsp;arrive just&nbsp;hours before the event and I mounted it upon a special gun two employees of mine constructed earlier in the week. It wasn't aligned to the gun scope until about 10 minutes before the event.</P>
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<P>Ron, with Sky-View, joined our club in membership and brought two lights to the event.&nbsp; [I trusted Ron to attend without having secured a light days before the event.&nbsp; This caused some trepidation by some.] </P>
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<P>Much of what took place&nbsp;during the event itself can be seen by this simple video:</P>
<P><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoY15WDuHQ&amp;feature=youtube_gdata">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoY15WDuHQ&amp;feature=youtube_gdata</A> </P>
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<P>It was not until Sunday morning that we heard from Don and Dan&nbsp;-- Dan Burbank (commander) also joined Don in&nbsp;watching for the flashing&nbsp;-- as to whether or not we were seen.&nbsp; They both had to stay-up late to see us.&nbsp; [The ISS is on GMT,&nbsp;so they both stayed up late (1:30 am) to see our 7:30 pm flash.] &nbsp;The plan was for Don to call us on his cell phone during the event, but Don was anxiously taking pictures to confirm the success.&nbsp; He attempted a call when he was a bit too far out of range.&nbsp;</P>
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<P>Once we got the news that we were successful, we were all thrilled and the news spread quickly.&nbsp; The dramatic shot taken by Don helped the news on the web go somewhat viral, so there are many links of the event if one Google's.</P>
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<P>Of course, it would not be hard to construct a device that could be used by those on the ISS that would the reception of a ton of information if we took advantage of the laser beam&nbsp;as a carrier, and vice versa.</P>
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<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:33:57 GMT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<DIV class=ForumQuote><B>R. Isaac said:</B><BR>OUTSTANDING! That's a great accomplishment. Thanks for posting it.</DIV>
<P><BR><BR>Thanks!&nbsp; The project was not an advancement for hard science, but such things can help to&nbsp;stir interest in science.&nbsp; Our local astronomy club has had, at times,&nbsp;over 1,000 people, mostly youngsters, at individual,&nbsp;pro-science events, and&nbsp;the recent "first" with our ISS contact will add spice to our presentations.&nbsp; </P>
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